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Friday, June 30, 2017

The cost of Black America

If you are a white American, over the course of your lifetime the federal government will, on average and on your behalf, transfer $384,109 of your wealth and income to a single black individual.

According to the data derived from the 2014 federal budget, the average annual net tax/benefit broke down as follows:
  • White: -$2,795
  • Black: +$10,016
Over the course of an average 79-year lifespan, a white individual contributes a net $220,805 to the system, whereas over the course of an average 75-year lifespan, a black individual receives a net $751,200. However, since there are 4.6 times more whites than blacks in the USA, the black share has to be divided among the various contributors to sort out a one-to-one comparison.

So, the net cost to the average White American of the average Black American is $384,109. Married? That's $768,218. Got 2 kids? That's $1,536,436. 4 kids? Now we're talking $2,304,654 lifetime.

Diversity is expensive. Now you understand why you won't have much of an inheritance to leave to your children. Do you really think it's worth it? And then, those natural conservatives to the south, the Hispanics, will surely improve the situation, right? After all, immigration helps the economy! Well, not so much.
  • Hispanic: +7,298
In fact, because there are more Hispanics in the USA than Blacks, Hispanics are already a bigger cumulative net drain on the economy, $411,950,000,000 to $389,710,000,000. Needless to say, the ongoing demographic change from a predominantly white society to a less productive, less white one can be expected to have even more serious negative effects on the long-term economic prospects of the United States that it already has.

To quote the original author: "The negative fiscal impact of blacks and hispanics is significant. All of this discussion of a “national debt” and “deficit” is primarily of function of blacks and hispanics. Without them, we would be running budget surpluses today, even when keeping the military the same size."

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Blogger Cecil Henry June 30, 2017 8:03 AM  

Finally, some numbers on a basic truth everyone can see.


Diversity makes Whites people poorer and destroys opportunity, freedom and beauty.

Anonymous Walter Oleg June 30, 2017 8:03 AM  

How many White children could be raised with $384,109?

Blogger Dirtnapninja June 30, 2017 8:04 AM  

And there are your reparations

Blogger Aeoli Pera June 30, 2017 8:11 AM  

Peacocking on a grand scale. Surely the whore of Babylon must swoon for us now!

Anonymous Lulabelle June 30, 2017 8:11 AM  

"According to the data derived from the 2014 federal budget"

I initially read that at "feral budget".

Blogger Heian-kyo Dreams June 30, 2017 8:11 AM  

Diversity tax.

Anonymous Rocklea June 30, 2017 8:12 AM  

"So, the net cost to the average White American of the average Black American is $384,109."

Now wait just a cotton pickin minute....

OpenID paworldandtimes June 30, 2017 8:13 AM  

Diversity is an irritant that sets off system-churn. Particularly in real estate, but really in every economic sector, the overall model being Whites always on the run (flight is the sole option when greeting an inbound moving van with a burning cross gets you thrown into a federal prison).

It's resource-extraction economics: put the productive on the treadmill and never let up. The resource that's extracted is the "economic energy" generated by breaking up a functioning whole. It's similar to nuclear fission in that power is harnessed until there's nothing left but radioactive waste.

PA

Anonymous grey enlightenment June 30, 2017 8:16 AM  

interesting research ..poor people are a drain on the economy

Anonymous Naggers June 30, 2017 8:20 AM  

The price we pay for basketball, rap, crime and MLK.

Blogger Cleveland Screamer June 30, 2017 8:24 AM  

Dasssss Racissssss

Blogger Ransom Smith June 30, 2017 8:25 AM  

Which raises an interesting question.

When the system does inevitably crash as it surely will, how does the black population support themselves? Hispanics game the system but often still work. So they seem more likely to survive.

The black population has fifty years of federal "sugar daddy" to fall back on. When the golden goose has been cooked, then what?

Blogger Meistergedanken June 30, 2017 8:34 AM  

...And that doesn't even account for the extra $70,000 I paid for my house, just to live in an all-white neighborhood.

Anonymous E. June 30, 2017 8:40 AM  

When I'm out with my kid at story time/ park/ dance lessons I take a mental inventory of the children her tax dollars will one day be supporting. What a horrible burden we're placing on our children.

Anonymous genericviews June 30, 2017 8:41 AM  

@13... You mean "good schools"?

Anonymous JAG June 30, 2017 8:43 AM  

Ransom Smith wrote:Which raises an interesting question.

When the system does inevitably crash as it surely will, how does the black population support themselves? Hispanics game the system but often still work. So they seem more likely to survive.

The black population has fifty years of federal "sugar daddy" to fall back on. When the golden goose has been cooked, then what?


They starve out if the SHTF. If they were smart, they would be pro whitey to keep the gibsmedats coming. Instead, the left has them so riled up they want to start the clock on their own doomsday.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 30, 2017 8:45 AM  

I just asked to myself, "What have blacks done for me and my family?" That basically wipes out a vast portion of the legitimacy of the establishment of the American Empire.

Anonymous Teapartydoc June 30, 2017 8:45 AM  

Wondering how Asians fit in.

Blogger Zaklog the Great June 30, 2017 8:47 AM  

And that is only accounting for costs imposed by the government. If you take into account the costs directly imposed from blacks to whites…well, the price goes up significantly.

Blogger Ezekiel June 30, 2017 8:49 AM  

Walter Oleg wrote:How many White children could be raised with $384,109?
How many children could be raised on the time wasted and cost of credentialing to make the money in the first place? I'd say that as much as anything is a big reason why white-collar Americans don't breed.

Blogger Ezekiel June 30, 2017 8:51 AM  

Teapartydoc wrote:Wondering how Asians fit in.
I suspect it's the same as Jews, Irish, and "white Hispanics". They contribute, but they contribute in a manner to ensure that their own tribe receives most of the benefits.

In time, the rest of us will learn to do that too.

Blogger Johnny June 30, 2017 8:52 AM  

I don't see much merit to that study, but otherwise would be unsurprised if the conclusion were correct in a general way.

What occurs to me is that maybe it could be done on a city wide basis. Take a city like Detroit, measure the money inputs, estimate the taxes paid, and then divide the cost up per resident.

Plus no doubt the consume more private charity funds than whites, and there is going to be a federal expense for jail time, and periodic house mortgage bailouts. Blacks get easier credit and go bust more.

Blogger Mr.MantraMan June 30, 2017 8:53 AM  

The conservatives what is left of them will instantly go into negotiating mode to look for a slightly better fiscal deal and slightly looser chains.

I say I just want my freedom from the glorious people of color.

Blogger Whisker biscuit June 30, 2017 8:53 AM  

Poor people who make crappy decisions. All niggums and beaners have a plethora of kids---usually with different partners. Mainly fat white women.

Blogger Salt June 30, 2017 8:54 AM  

Call it what it is, reparations.

Blogger Durandel Almiras June 30, 2017 8:55 AM  

Devastating assessment.

On a certain level, I feel bad for the African races. They will eventually be seen by the other races as nothing more than locusts, who will likely come to a similar solution to deal with the issue.

I do hope history records how foreign aid and technological uplifting paved the road to hell for them. Good intentions, but unfortunately it seems that the majority of the different African peoples can't handle the technological uplifting on the societal level, and thus lack a mechanism to teach them to produce resources for themselves.

OpenID paworldandtimes June 30, 2017 8:56 AM  

Wondering how Asians fit in.

They need to go back.

Blogger Koanic June 30, 2017 8:59 AM  

And that is why we're going to kill them all.

Because you do not leave toxic waste in your children's groundwater, or genetic waste in their gene pool.

That way lies India and South America. Which dungheaps will happily accept any nigger-loving Americans who feel the need to dwell in futureless vibrant squalor. Assuming they have the foresight to avoid starring in the purge.

Blogger ghostfromplanetspook June 30, 2017 9:02 AM  

I imagine this will go well with the ethnic voters.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) June 30, 2017 9:11 AM  

So, the net cost to the average White American of the average Black American is $384,109.

What's the net cost of Hispanics?

Anonymous the 30% June 30, 2017 9:13 AM  

Govt workers are net tax consumers, so the net people are much fewer than most think.

Blogger James Dixon June 30, 2017 9:14 AM  

> Needless to say, the ongoing demographic change from a predominantly white society to a less productive, less white one can be expected to have even more serious negative effects on the long-term economic prospects of the United States that it already has.

And since we're already broke and $20T in debt...

The end is in sight for anyone with eyes to see. It's only a question of when, not if.

Anonymous Anders Trelinko June 30, 2017 9:15 AM  

all that money I paid for negroes, and I didn't even get to keep one?!

Blogger Student in Blue June 30, 2017 9:15 AM  

Truly, they're doing the work Americans don't want to.

Blogger Caffeineforge June 30, 2017 9:18 AM  

http://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspot.com/2017/06/memphis-commercial-appeal-lets-slip.html?m=1

"where shootings account for $25 million a year in uncompensated care — costs"

Blogger VD June 30, 2017 9:20 AM  

What's the net cost of Hispanics?

About the same, actually. $381,220. They take 25 percent less per year, but they live 7 years longer.

Anonymous Panzer Man June 30, 2017 9:21 AM  

Durandel Almiras wrote:Devastating assessment.

On a certain level, I feel bad for the African races. They will eventually be seen by the other races as nothing more than locusts, who will likely come to a similar solution to deal with the issue.

I do hope history records how foreign aid and technological uplifting paved the road to hell for them. Good intentions, but unfortunately it seems that the majority of the different African peoples can't handle the technological uplifting on the societal level, and thus lack a mechanism to teach them to produce resources for themselves.


Yes, they're totally out of their depth. They're made for the kraal, the spear, and the veldt. The Zulus were about the peak of what could be naturally expected out of them.

And yes, their future doesn't look very bright. The population growth projected for Africa is impossible; a massive die-back will occur long before they reach 4 billion. They can't sustain that on their own, and it will be impossible for even the most insane, masochistic white charity to keep pace.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) June 30, 2017 9:27 AM  

About the same, actually. $381,220. They take 25 percent less per year, but they live 7 years longer.

Thanks.

Of course once you apply an adjustment for margaritas and burritos, it all evens out...

Blogger Joshua_D June 30, 2017 9:28 AM  

Dammit.

Blogger Lucas June 30, 2017 9:30 AM  

Bear in mind that white women also get "government" money at the expense of white men.

Basically, white men are the new slaves but most dont even know that.

Anonymous BBGKB June 30, 2017 9:30 AM  

I was meaning to get around to posting a few of the costs I was aware on onto that site since someone posted it in the comments the other day. 1/8 of US blacks having the sickle cell gene means they couldn't maintain healthcare if partitioned to a region by themselves.

How many White children could be raised with $384,109?

It costs over $50k for GLBT to buy/adopt one. That's why most GLBT parents have a special needs non verbal black.

Plus no doubt the consume more private charity funds than whites

None Asian minorities will always be the neediest for receiving charity. Leftists hated that white areas charity would help poor whites so much that it was one of the big reasons they did the dump shit in every Whitopia section 8 affirmatively fair housing.

all that money I paid for negroes, and I didn't even get to keep one?!

Milo is keeping 8.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) June 30, 2017 9:32 AM  

all that money I paid for negroes, and I didn't even get to keep one?!

Well since the distribution is 4.6:1, it's more of a timeshare thing

Anonymous Slick June 30, 2017 9:36 AM  

This why cucks adopt nogs as pets and Jews farm them in ghetto stables. Virtue signaling profit centers.

OpenID paworldandtimes June 30, 2017 9:39 AM  

it's more of a timeshare thing

Where do you check to opt out?

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) June 30, 2017 9:39 AM  

Wondering how Asians fit in.

At approx 3500 net surplus per year over 86 years that's 301,000 net positive

Anonymous Ezekiel Cassandros June 30, 2017 9:45 AM  

And THAT is why we stopped going to the moon.

Blogger rumpole5 June 30, 2017 10:09 AM  

You lump all whites into one group. If you subdivied "whites" into the nationalies that eventually formed "white" Americans, I wager that you would find that the Irish, Itallians, and east Europeans have also been less intelligent and less productive than the descendants of the Englishmen who founded our country. There is also the little problem that 7 to 8 million "whites" in the USA are of partial African descent and knowingly or unknowingly passing as pure-blood European descent whites. (And further breeding with the "pure bloods")

I won't leave my own German ancestors out of the equation either. Even though they were productive and hard working (and on average are better looking than the skinny faced, mash mouthed, bad teeth, weak chinned English), the Germans brought over a number of problematic philosphies that have plagued the USA since their arrival.

Our blacks' African ancestors were brought over by greedy people to exploit them. They should have known that white masters would take advantage of subsevient female slaves, and that at least some of the blacks would otherwise attract whites to sex, and that a new breed would be created. Our blacks are about 20% non African. There is no place for the descendants of these blacks to go but here. We broke it and we own it. I think that we should keep the Irish and the Italians too.

Anonymous gxg June 30, 2017 10:10 AM  

This is a primary reason why countries like Sweden were able to offer so many socialized benefits. They didn't have a pool of violent parasites suckling off the host.

They sure solved that problem.

Anonymous fop June 30, 2017 10:11 AM  

The fiscal shortfall is more than made up for in cultural enrichment.

Anonymous johnc June 30, 2017 10:17 AM  

I read that San Francisco is set to give an illegal alien $190,000 in compensatory cash to make up for the humiliation he suffered because he was arrested (on a warrant) and then handed over to ICE.

White man gotta pay!

Anonymous veryfunnyminion June 30, 2017 10:19 AM  

Did you get these numbers from the Cato Institute?

Bwahaha, I kill myself.

Blogger Student in Blue June 30, 2017 10:22 AM  

The fiscal shortfall is more than made up for in cultural enrichment.

If they weren't here, we'd never have a Taco Bell or KFC. And that's somewhere no one wants to be.

Anonymous gxg June 30, 2017 10:23 AM  

Our blacks are about 20% non African. There is no place for the descendants of these blacks to go but here.

Wrong. They have to go back.

Do they identify as black...
- to get their freebies?
- to scream racism whenever they're inconvenienced?
- to get government jobs and minority contracts?
- to get into the best colleges with lower test scores?
- to explain why the cop harassed/arrested/killed them?
- to choose victims for the knock-out game?

They see themselves as separate. It's time we see it the same way.

Anonymous BBGKB June 30, 2017 10:30 AM  

Keep in mind this doesn't include the hidden costs of things like black/brown people using ambulances as free taxies meaning that the ambulance can't be used to save someone else.


http://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspot.com/2017/06/memphis-commercial-appeal-lets-slip.html
Memphis Commercial Appeal lets slip the Enormous Cost of Black Gun Violence in 65% Black Memphis to White Taxpayers Subsidizing the Elvis Presley Memorial Trauma Center

"Because he initially had no health insurance, much of that cost was absorbed by the publicly subsidized hospital, where shootings account for $25 million a year in uncompensated care — costs that are passed on in the form of higher taxes and healthcare costs.

But all those miracles, all those successes treating “penetrating trauma,’’ come at a cost. Paper copies of Threalkill’s medical records weigh 69 pounds. His initial three-week hospital stay cost $163,000.

Repeat inpatient stays for follow-up surgery and care over the next two months added another $169,000. A five-week inpatient rehab tacked on $159,000. In all, more than $491,000. And he’s just one patient. "

Blogger YIH June 30, 2017 10:34 AM  

Ransom Smith wrote:Which raises an interesting question.

When the system does inevitably crash as it surely will, how does the black population support themselves? Hispanics game the system but often still work. So they seem more likely to survive.

The black population has fifty years of federal "sugar daddy" to fall back on. When the golden goose has been cooked, then what?

Africa in Our Midst
https://www.amren.com/archives/back-issues/october-2005/
The only difference is there won't be any aid workers and even helicopters airdropping in cases of bottled water.
Most likely, the Africans will be forcibly corralled in their zones (like Detroit or Birmingham) and left to fend for themselves.
Most won't live long enough to even lose much weight from malnutrition.

Blogger James Dixon June 30, 2017 10:37 AM  

> If they weren't here, we'd never have a Taco Bell or KFC

Everybody has fried chicken. Harland Sanders was white.

Anonymous Clueless Cuckservative June 30, 2017 10:37 AM  

But, but, but, muh Content of Character! I know a GOOD one!

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) June 30, 2017 10:37 AM  

Long Clark hat tweet storm on this:

https://mobile.twitter.com/ClarkHat/status/880784906346999814

Blogger J Carlton June 30, 2017 10:39 AM  

The sick part of this is that it was predictable, the actual numbers are worse because they reflect static and not dynamic analysis, that is taking blacks working and using the money for investment into account and that the function of the programs in the first place was to take urban blacks out of the economy. The sad part is that the people who came up with these things are all dead so that we can't string them up.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) June 30, 2017 10:43 AM  

Our blacks' African ancestors were brought over by greedy people to exploit them. They should have known that white masters would take advantage of subsevient female slaves, and that at least some of the blacks would otherwise attract whites to sex, and that a new breed would be created. Our blacks are about 20% non African. There is no place for the descendants of these blacks to go but here. We broke it and we own it. I think that we should keep the Irish and the Italians too.

Voluntary segregation worked before the welfare state. No reason why it wouldn't work again.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Deplorable Cents June 30, 2017 10:44 AM  

Kratman's probably busy, but where's S1AL?

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) June 30, 2017 10:44 AM  

When the system does inevitably crash as it surely will, how does the black population support themselves? Hispanics game the system but often still work. So they seem more likely to survive.

The black population has fifty years of federal "sugar daddy" to fall back on. When the golden goose has been cooked, then what?


How did they support themselves before that?

Anonymous Grayman June 30, 2017 10:45 AM  

Put simply the minorities are going to starve once they outbreed and drive off / ethnically cleanse whitey!
But where have we seen this before looking at you Zimbabwe and South Africa. Its almost like the whole magic soil / blank slate thing doesn't work.

Blogger kurt9 June 30, 2017 10:49 AM  

This is a very good posting, Vox.

The best way to sell alt-right policies is just like how Reagan sold conservatism. Appeal to the pocket book.

Blogger Desdichado June 30, 2017 10:50 AM  

Student in Blue wrote:If they weren't here, we'd never have a Taco Bell or KFC. And that's somewhere no one wants to be.
Both Taco Bell and KFC were founded by white men.

And KFC in particular is Southern food, or a derivation of it, not soul food. It's origin is in Scotland, not Africa.

OpenID paworldandtimes June 30, 2017 10:51 AM  

The full hidden cost of diversity (along with the prohibition on self-assertion) is that Whites are forced to cede their public space and create a parallel worlds in which they can breathe. Those parallel worlds are either:

1. Expensive (private schools and good neighborhoods) -- and the majority that who can't afford them are abandoned to the jackals.

2 Virtual (online shopping, fancy alternatives to ordinary transport) and as such, dehumanizing.

3. Stressful (long commutes, ever-volatile refugee camps aka suburbs) which atomize us.

The ownership of public space is like clean air, you never think about it until it's gone. One of my most... rehumanizing experiences on my visits to Eastern Europe is the sight of urban parks full of White families even after dusk, and city buses with nothing but kin faces.

Different parts of the United States have different levels of degraded public space, but everywhere you travel in the US, you feel this dread that some little oasis you find is only permanent until diversity finds it (read: until diversity is squirted there and uniformed men with guns ensure that you acquiesce).

PA

Anonymous Grayman June 30, 2017 10:51 AM  

@61 Josh

How did they support themselves before that?

The problem now is that the relative civilized nature and work ethnic that existed in American blacks 65 years ago has been thoroughly bred out of them at this point. Only 0.1% of the black population is probably capable of functioning in a civilized productive environment at this point.
Realistically you would have to build something akin to South African Apartheid.

Given the mass ethnic cleansing that is coming I don't see that as a likely option. The level of mixing amongst the races as well as the total population of lacks is likely to be significantly lower by the time that the coming festivities have wrapped up. The population for everyone in the west will be much lower....

Anonymous Bad Attitude June 30, 2017 10:51 AM  

That is what the federal government transfers to blacks. What about the state and local government transfers to blacks and Hispanics? What about the costs borne by individuals (e.g. higher insurance costs, crime, reduced property values)? What about the diminished quality of life issues? What about the once great cities reduced to third-world ruins?

Blogger Student in Blue June 30, 2017 10:52 AM  

@64. Desdichado

That's the joke.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) June 30, 2017 10:57 AM  

The problem now is that the relative civilized nature and work ethnic that existed in American blacks 65 years ago has been thoroughly bred out of them at this point.

"Work ethnic" is hilarious.

I think you're overestimating the short term effects of evolution

Anonymous Grayman June 30, 2017 10:58 AM  

@65

you feel this dread that some little oasis you find is only permanent until diversity finds it (read: until diversity is squirted there and uniformed men with guns ensure that you acquiesce).

Very true! My town is involved in a decades long legal battle with the state who is trying to import low income housing, because... diversity.

Anonymous Grayman June 30, 2017 11:01 AM  

@69 josh

I think you're overestimating the short term effects of evolution

Its not an evolutionary basis, its a learned behavioral basis. Cultural behavior persists over multiple generations and is exogenous of evolution although it is a contributing factor. It takes more than 1 generation to shift it either way.

Blogger Eduardo Petrovich June 30, 2017 11:01 AM  

Who's enslaving whom?

Anonymous andon June 30, 2017 11:02 AM  

all that Clark hat guy did was make excuses

"my whole rant is that averages are basically garbage"

Anonymous gxg June 30, 2017 11:03 AM  

The full hidden cost of diversity is that Whites are forced to cede their public space and create a parallel worlds in which they can breathe.

This. A million times over.

Behold the before & after of Detroit, which was once a crown jewel of modern Western Civilization. Thanks to forced diversity, it's now a dirty, broken hellhole. But there was a time, as the pictures illustrate, when Detroit was a wonderful place to raise a family.

http://detroiturbex.com/content/ba/feat/index.html

Anonymous BBGKB June 30, 2017 11:04 AM  

OT: Janet Reno said TRUMP would be president over her dead body & was right. Now Yellen weights in

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-27/yellen-i-dont-believe-we-will-see-another-crisis-our-lifetime

Blogger Dire Badger June 30, 2017 11:05 AM  

Does this model account for the prison population?

Blogger rumpole5 June 30, 2017 11:06 AM  

So--- We're keeping the 7-8 million "whites" who have African blood? Doesn't that get us to the same mixed blood end point? I think that it would make more sense to have incentives for white people to have more children.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) June 30, 2017 11:09 AM  

Does this model account for the prison population?

Try reading the link

Blogger rumpole5 June 30, 2017 11:09 AM  

No. It DIDN'T work. The gene mixing started on the boat over and hasn't ever stopped.

Anonymous Rocklea June 30, 2017 11:13 AM  

Jump down turn around and pick a bale of cotton
Jump down turn around and pick a bale a day

Anonymous Grayman June 30, 2017 11:13 AM  

it would make more sense to have incentives for white people to have more children.

That is simple. Burn feminism to the ground it denigrates motherhood and destroys the relationship between man & woman, mother & father.
A bit harder, kill the debt ponzi "economy". Whites have a low time preference and are essentially K selected. Whites wont actively reproduce to any significant degree if they do not see the resources available to successfully raise children.
That also means that whites (or any K selected group) must segregate themselves from r selected groups or the r's will parasitically overrun the K selected population.

Blogger DeploraBard June 30, 2017 11:22 AM  

Name one or two sincere net positives of having blacks near you. I cannot list a single one.

Anonymous BBGKB June 30, 2017 11:31 AM  

Name one or two sincere net positives of having blacks near you. I cannot list a single one.

You can work 2 shifts a week in an inner city hospital and get paid more than you would working full time at a nice hospital an hour away.

Blogger Robert June 30, 2017 11:31 AM  

"We broke it, we own it"??

No. Africans are and were much better off in America than in Africa. So how did we break anything?

And all they do now is complain about having been enslaved and about what great civilizations they had in Africa. They have an uncomfortable relationship with reality. Why would a "great civilization" not be able to prevent millions of its people from being enslaved?

Oh, I know, they were playing a long con, knowing they'd be able to live off the white man for centuries. They're so smart!

Blogger DeploraBard June 30, 2017 11:39 AM  

BBGKB
That is one I would not have considered. Higher pay simply to deal with them.

Blogger Al Smith June 30, 2017 11:42 AM  

This is partly why I get a big kick out of Steven Pinker's "The Better Angels of Our Nature", beloved by most liberals. How peaceful would things be if all the goodies were cut off, Mr. Pinker?

Anonymous Grayman June 30, 2017 11:43 AM  

The conclusion of the article hits home...

The negative fiscal impact of blacks and hispanics is significant. All of this discussion of a “national debt” and “deficit” is primarily of function of blacks and hispanics. Without them, we would be running budget surpluses today, even when keeping the military the same size.

Blogger dc.sunsets June 30, 2017 11:46 AM  

It's resource-extraction economics: put the productive on the treadmill and never let up. The resource that's extracted is the "economic energy" generated by breaking up a functioning whole. It's similar to nuclear fission in that power is harnessed until there's nothing left but radioactive waste.

PA


This is why currently fashionable discussion of political "divorce" is complete BS.

If productive (overwhelmingly white, if not WASP) people could secede to form our own polity, everyone knows what happens.

EVERYONE.

Chattel (tax) slaves cannot be allowed to escape.

We will not throw off our chains peacefully, for the parasites will fight to the death to remain fastened to our jugular veins.

Blogger RobertT June 30, 2017 11:49 AM  

Once again, where's Drudge on this?

Blogger dc.sunsets June 30, 2017 11:51 AM  

Poor people are poor in the land of plenty. Poverty is a SPIRITUAL condition and it's highly heritable.

Nothing will change until the dwindling numbers of productive people are ready to let someone else's kids starve because the productive's kids are at risk.

It's impossible to ameliorate the suffering of a child without both enabling his parents and amplifying the production of more suffering children.

Blogger dc.sunsets June 30, 2017 11:54 AM  

I'd say that as much as anything is a big reason why white-collar Americans don't breed.

I figure my kids are paying for two NAM kids for each child my sons produce.

Breivk was right.

Anonymous Crew June 30, 2017 11:57 AM  

Its not an evolutionary basis, its a learned behavioral basis. Cultural behavior persists over multiple generations and is exogenous of evolution although it is a contributing factor. It takes more than 1 generation to shift it either way.

The problem is that the whites are more resistant to the environment causing mis-behavior than blacks are. Formerly when they were under much more control there were more productive blacks than there are now.

That is, the frequency of genes that lead to mis-behavior in an environment of low control that progressives have instituted is higher in blacks than it is in whites.

Blogger dc.sunsets June 30, 2017 11:57 AM  

James Dixon, true, but the devil is also in the details.

Being in the wrong place at the wrong time is usually a fatal mistake for even the wise and capable. Some Brits in 1935 could read the tea leaves and moved from the UK to nice places like Singapore.

Anonymous rien June 30, 2017 12:00 PM  

How did you arrive at this:

So, the net cost to the average White American of the average Black American is $384,109.

I do not see that number in the linked article.

Blogger Sheila4g June 30, 2017 12:00 PM  

@65 paworldandtimes: "The full hidden cost of diversity (along with the prohibition on self-assertion) is that Whites are forced to cede their public space and create a parallel worlds in which they can breathe."

Excellent comment. Succinct summation of my daily condition and cause of stress. I long ago abandoned the malls and public libraries, the parks and civic celebrations. If I could afford to I'd abandon the grocery store in lieu of deliveries, and the gym in lieu of a complete one at home. I recently had to write out 3.5 because the Mestizo "butcher" at the local grocery store didn't understand when I said I wanted that amount of fish. I recently had to call a credit card company because we received a card in the mail, in someone else's name but using our home address, that we never applied for. After demanding to speak to someone in America, not Indonesia or Colombia or wherever it was, I got a woman in Florida, whose Hispanic accent was even less intelligible than the foreigners I first spoke with. And then I had to go through the entire thing again with their "anti-fraud" people - again non-White, non-English speaking non-Americans.

I'm genuinely afraid to carry, in my car or on my person, because I genuinely want to slaughter countless people every single day. Yes, anger issues, I've heard it before.

Blogger Elizabeth June 30, 2017 12:03 PM  

Slick wrote:This why cucks adopt nogs as pets and Jews farm them in ghetto stables. Virtue signaling profit centers.

I think that the adoption of "special needs" children is subsidized by the government, at least here in NJ. The reasoning is that it is cheaper to pay a family to foster/adopt a child than put the child in an institution. That's also a reason for "special ed" - a pricey government-funded baby-sitting service, but still cheaper than an institution.

Blogger dc.sunsets June 30, 2017 12:04 PM  

Re the mixed race folks, No Problem!

While engineering people is a long way off, testing for known behavioral determinants is right around the corner.

In two decades, a cheek swab and 23andMe-style testing will determine if you are Us or Them.

All Them will be invited to leave.

Sound SciFi, but I'm betting it's coming, unless the Looming Apocalypse wipes us back to 19th century tech.

Blogger Cecil Henry June 30, 2017 12:08 PM  

@65

Your comment about ownership of public space is dead on to having a community and a humane place to live. Urban malls today are all about getting in and getting the hell out FAST.

That is what BORDERS are supposed to do.

But this is now diversity chases down White people to exploit them.


This talk about “oppressed minorities” ignores the real disenfranchisement of the White majority, and denies us our
right to survive in a world of our own

Blogger Elizabeth June 30, 2017 12:09 PM  

dc.sunsets wrote: I'd say that as much as anything is a big reason why white-collar Americans don't breed.

I figure my kids are paying for two NAM kids for each child my sons produce.

Breivk was right.


A fellow once told me that he and his wife wanted a third child, but couldn't afford one. He figured that he was supporting three kids in Newark, NJ, and asked "Do I ever get so much as a Father's Day card"?

Blogger Elizabeth June 30, 2017 12:12 PM  

DeploraBard wrote:BBGKB

That is one I would not have considered. Higher pay simply to deal with them.


A friend of mine was a teacher in an all-black middle school in Akron, Ohio. I once asked her if she wasn't interested in getting a job in a suburban school, such as the almost all-white town that she lived in. She replied that there was more money and job security working in Akron. She's working in a school with a mixed white and black population now - I don't know if there is a difference in pay.

Anonymous Grayman June 30, 2017 12:19 PM  

@94


Really??

Over the course of an average 79-year lifespan, a white individual contributes a net $220,805 to the system, whereas over the course of an average 75-year lifespan, a black individual receives a net $751,200. However, since there are 4.6 times more whites than blacks in the USA, the black share has to be divided among the various contributors to sort out a one-to-one comparison.

So, the net cost to the average White American of the average Black American is $384,109. Married? That's $768,218. Got 2 kids? That's $1,536,436. 4 kids? Now we're talking $2,304,654 lifetime.

Anonymous Crew June 30, 2017 12:20 PM  

I don't imagine that the Chinese, Koreans and Indians who live in the US will be happy to learn how much they are subsidizing blacks and Mexicans ...

Blogger James June 30, 2017 12:21 PM  

James Dixon wrote:

And since we're already broke and $20T in debt...


The $20 trillion figure is only the federal government debt, which doesn't include the unfunded liabilities like SS and Medicare. The REAL federal debt is closer to $100 trillion. Now, once we include State, municipality, corporate, and personal debt, only God knows what it actually is. This country is bankrupt at all levels. It is time to repudiate the debt. Although I have never known the (((Amish))) to accept such a solution.

rumpole5 wrote:
There is no place for the descendants of these blacks to go but here. We broke it and we own it.


Face it, blacks are a net negative in wherever they exist, in the muthaland and in White countries. And if WE have to accept responsibility for them (which we don't since WE didn't bring them here), they should have no say so in the final solution. There is an existing solution to the black problem. It is contained in the contract that formed the Federal Government. Blacks won't like it, but fuk 'em. The States were the entities that created the Federal Government. They were designed to be superior to the Federal Government except in those enumerated powers they gave to the Federal Government. So many people are discussing secession and ethnic enclaves as a solution to our problems. Fine. I know this will be an terrible imposition on the Whites in the States I will mention, but there could be equitable compensation. Why not give blacks States or Municipalities where they are the majority, up to the 12% of the population they provide. New Jersey, Georgia, Michigan, Mississippi, Alabama or Louisiana? It would be all theirs to screw up as they choose. The beauty of this plan is that blacks WILL screw them up completely, will not be able to feed themselves or protect the more docile dindus from the more violent ones, so their population will decline. After half of them have died or have moved on to greener pastures in other countries, those States will be easily reincorporated and the parasites removed. Cruel? I don't know anyone except the most deluded libtard that would not try to eradicate a deadly virus. Do you concern yourself with how the virus feels about that?

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) June 30, 2017 12:22 PM  

In fact, because there are more Hispanics in the USA than Blacks, Hispanics are already a bigger cumulative net drain on the economy, $411,950,000,000 to $389,710,000,000. Needless to say, the ongoing demographic change from a predominantly white society to a less productive, less white one can be expected to have even more serious negative effects on the long-term economic prospects of the United States that it already has.

Not only is the Hispanic population larger, it's growing more rapidly.

Blogger Nationalist Flicka June 30, 2017 12:23 PM  

And we have to live with them?

I'd ALMOST, ALMOST be open to paying for 'em if it was guaranteed I didn't have to live with them, share infrastructure with them, amenities, etc.

Anonymous Crew June 30, 2017 12:23 PM  

In fact, since Chinese, Koreans and Indians are a significant proportion of the population of California, they should be informed of this little fact.

Anonymous Grayman June 30, 2017 12:24 PM  

@96 Elizabeth

That's also a reason for "special ed" - a pricey government-funded baby-sitting service, but still cheaper than an institution.

Leaving aside the fact that public education must be nuked from orbit, just to be sure, I disagree with you on this point. When you consider the impact of "mainstreaming" kids that should not be in general classrooms it would be less expensive to segregate them, whether institutions in extreme cases or specialized schools more often.

Anonymous DonReynolds June 30, 2017 12:26 PM  

Josh (the gayest thing here) wrote:So, the net cost to the average White American of the average Black American is $384,109.

What's the net cost of Hispanics?


According to a recent study, the American taxpayer saves $700,000 for every family of illegal aliens deported back to their own country. The social dividend for a raft of aggressive enforcement efforts would pay for many things we very much need or even reduce the overburden of national debt.

Anonymous rien June 30, 2017 12:27 PM  

@101, I see the number in the above article, but there is no justification for it. And since it is not detailed in the linked article, I would like to know how Vox arrived at the $384,109 number. I don't see how he could.

(PS: The number I arrive at at is $163,304)

Blogger cheddarman June 30, 2017 12:29 PM  

Given the history of the USA, I do not expect this to resolve itself peacefully. Too many people are wedded to the status quo to support a bloodless and common sense solution. When the days of reckoning come, it will be bloody.

Anonymous Grayman June 30, 2017 12:32 PM  

@97 DC

In two decades, a cheek swab and 23andMe-style testing will determine if you are Us or Them.

Doable NOW for about the cost of an SAT prep course. Consider the cost differential that blacks and hispanics have and the program pays for itself many times over.

The same goes for education...
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-hTY2YNPZebeEdGNzB2WGwtVDg/view?usp=sharing

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) June 30, 2017 12:32 PM  

@101, I see the number in the above article, but there is no justification for it. And since it is not detailed in the linked article, I would like to know how Vox arrived at the $384,109 number. I don't see how he could.

(PS: The number I arrive at at is $163,304)


Black cost / 4.6 + White cost

Blogger DeploraBard June 30, 2017 12:34 PM  

BBGKB
That is one I would not have considered. Higher pay simply to deal with them.

Anonymous Grayman June 30, 2017 12:35 PM  

According to a recent study, the American taxpayer saves $700,000 for every family of illegal aliens deported

Offer a 10% (of the 700K) bounty for every family turned in who is verified as non-citizen! Illegal invader problem will be gone within 6 months.

Anonymous andon June 30, 2017 12:36 PM  

I long ago abandoned the malls and public libraries, the parks and civic celebrations.

about 10 years ago they started offering DVDs for checkout at the local library and that began to attract a different sort of patron. Since then i havent been back too often and now they also seem to offer some kind of day care for illegal aliens

Anonymous Starbuck June 30, 2017 12:39 PM  

This problem could be solved if there were a majority of KKK in congress. I bet there would be a vote on repealing welfare, medicare, food stamps. Then watch them scurry out of the country and the welfare people scurry to get jobs.

Anonymous Korbin Ransley June 30, 2017 12:43 PM  

I want western peoples to have there own homogenous nations, and western civilization to survive. Maybe it might be worth taking a look at the employment, marriage, crime, and out of wedlock birth stats of my brothers and sisters before 1965 to see if insights can be gained on the effect of policy, and culture on our countries situation.

Im not denying human biodiversity. Im not denying the need for folks to reject foolishness and embrace virtue including old school ones like chastity, and industry. I'm not claiming to be on the right side of the bell curve or anything. I'm just saying I believe policy counts, and not just immigration policy.

I think Stefan Molyneux has really neat interesting videos relating to these subjects.

Jared Taylor has some great videos aswell.

Blogger S1AL June 30, 2017 12:47 PM  

"Kratman's probably busy, but where's S1AL?"

Working during one of the busiest weeks in my year. What's the question? Regardless of what it is, the answer is probably "none of this is surprising, the welfare state is cancer, and the destruction of the family precipitated a huge portion of these issues."

Blogger Elder Son June 30, 2017 12:48 PM  

It's okay. When Whites have been thoroughly immigrated and bred out into a minority, they'll all return the favor.

Blogger Duke Norfolk June 30, 2017 12:53 PM  

Dirtnapninja wrote:And there are your reparations

You beat me to it.

Anonymous Mr. Rational June 30, 2017 12:53 PM  

JAG wrote:the left has them so riled up they want to start the clock on their own doomsday.
Yes, they really do!  I remind the dindus at a certain blog about this, and you would not believe the depth of denial they're in.  It's funny, sad and ultimately deadly all at once.

@34  s/want to/want done/

I am perfectly fine with the elimination of armed robbery and mudsharking.  I don't want those jobs done, period.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) June 30, 2017 12:54 PM  

Regardless of what it is, the answer is probably "none of this is surprising, the welfare state is cancer, and the destruction of the family precipitated a huge portion of these issues."

This

Anonymous GregMan June 30, 2017 1:06 PM  

I wonder if that number includes the costs of living near "diversity" - bars on windows, home alarm systems, etc.

Anonymous Gen. Kong June 30, 2017 1:06 PM  

Ransom Smith wrote:
Which raises an interesting question.

When the system does inevitably crash as it surely will, how does the black population support themselves? Hispanics game the system but often still work. So they seem more likely to survive.

The black population has fifty years of federal "sugar daddy" to fall back on. When the golden goose has been cooked, then what?


There have been a number of writers and others who've presented a scanario in such an event. They differ in details of course but the basic outline is that when the EBT/Welfare/Section 8 all comes to an end, dindus will go into an immediate orgy of violent looting against nearby white neighborhoods. The badge-gang will be ordered to attack whites who attempt to defend themselves, family and property. The only whites who will get protection will be those in ruling elite and high-level nomenklatura. Non-whites will be allowed to defend themselves. As we've already seen from the Oafcuckers, the badge-gang will follow the orders in the name of Judeo-Christ and a perverted ghostdance of 'muh constitution'.

Short term will be very nasty for suburban whites, most of whom continue to live in fantasy-world of unreality fueled by debt. Negroes have been waging a dirty war against whites for decades running now. The list of atrocities is nearly endless. The campaign has been whipped up, abetted, funded by (((elites))) and covered up by (((fake news))). Invading Aztecs will take the opportunity to cleanse areas they dominate of negroes and whites alike.

The ulimate result will be either a considerable awakening to reality on the part of remaining whites, a collapse of the regime when the targets of genocide realize that the prime-directive of the government they've been paying into for over a century is to exterminate them, followed by a hot civil war and a breakup of of the Fake Banana Empire's North American core into several states.

Anonymous The Original Arrogant Penguins Fan June 30, 2017 1:10 PM  

And.......

wait for it... wait for it...

Next up is the analysis of the economic cost of feminism... Get yourselves some new calculators, boys!

$XX,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000!

Anonymous Gen. Kong June 30, 2017 1:12 PM  

The alternative to the majority of American whites awakening will be a marginalization and extermination along the lines of what is presently taking place in Southern Africa. Apparently most whites there think they need to die out in the name of Judeo-Christ. Even that, hopeless as it appears to be, could change if the massive debt-racketeering scheme referred to by idiots as the "free market" collapses and the (((owners))) of South Africa lose control of their ANC proxies.

Anonymous vfm June 30, 2017 1:15 PM  

"The campaign has been whipped up, abetted, funded by (((elites))) and covered up by (((fake news)))."

Don't forget the "elites" many white SJWs/liberal goy minions and last but not least white "CONservatives".

Blogger Duke Norfolk June 30, 2017 1:17 PM  

dc.sunsets wrote:This is why currently fashionable discussion of political "divorce" is complete BS.



Yes. The naivete displayed in such talk is astounding. Anybody espousing such a thing is hopelessly foolish, and should be targeted by con artists everywhere.

Anonymous Grayman June 30, 2017 1:19 PM  

@126 Gen Kong

As others have said, i think the answer is already baked into the cake. The 8 - 15 yr old children of today are learning first hand about the "benefits" of diversity. Even if this shitshow holds together for another 10 years, that generation WILL NOT continue to tolerate diversity

Anonymous vfm June 30, 2017 1:19 PM  

"Next up is the analysis of the economic cost of feminism... Get yourselves some new calculators, boys!"

Thread win.

Yes if you factor in divorce, single motherhood, fatherlessness, the inevitable expansion of government, cultural breakdown, feminism is hands down the most fiscally and socially destructive.

Anonymous rien June 30, 2017 1:21 PM  

@112 Josh,

Thanks. Yes that -probably- explains the number.

Look at it like this:

If the blacks would have been budget neutral, then whites would have needed to pay in less, by an amount of 10,016 / 4.6 = 2,177.

Over a 79 year lifespan that amounts to 79 * 2,177 = $171,983 per white.

Over a 75 year lifespan that amounts to 75 * 2,177 = $163,275 per black.

Of course there is no reason the whites should be the only one to bear te cost of the system, so let me play around with that number:

2,795 * 75 = 59,625 is the cost for a white person to maintain the system over 75 years. If the blacks would share equally then: 59,625 would be paid for by 4.6 whites and 1 black = 10,647 per person.

Hence the extra costs per black over 75 years can be put at: 163,275 + 10,647 = 173,922.

I am fully aware that these number are only approximations, but still I think that Vox is off by roughly a factor of 2.

Does that matter for this article?, no not at all.
Does that matter if anybody wants to use these numbers going forward? I think it does.

Anonymous Mr. Rational June 30, 2017 1:31 PM  

rumpole5 wrote:Our blacks' African ancestors were brought over by greedy people to exploit them.
You mis-spelled "greedy (((people)))".

They should have known that white masters would take advantage of subsevient female slaves, and that at least some of the blacks would otherwise attract whites to sex, and that a new breed would be created.
Why do you think (((they))) weren't planning on it?

There is no place for the descendants of these blacks to go but here.
We can PIGD or CRISPR the African genes out of the ones who are well-behaved enough to stay.  Imagine what could be done in Central America if every mixed family was able to select only the embryos with "good hair".

@97  That's an option too.

Grayman wrote:Cultural behavior persists over multiple generations and is exogenous of evolution although it is a contributing factor. It takes more than 1 generation to shift it either way.
If you have the responsible making 2 children and the Angel Adamses having 16 children, you can get a massive shift in allele frequencies in just one generation.

We've had what, 3-4 generations of taxpayer-supported ghetto babies since the Great Society?

@103  Any Black ethnic enclave will immediately become Liberia.  If you walled them into a theoretically self-sufficient area they'd either starve or ally with our enemies to get food.  That can't be allowed on American soil, so the only solution is to send them all to the original Liberia.

@104  It can shrink just as rapidly.  Any child born to a Mexican parent anywhere in the world is a Mexican citizen.  We just have to make going back mandatory.

Blogger Koanic June 30, 2017 1:36 PM  

> We broke it and we own it.

Good, then we can throw it away.

> Voluntary segregation worked before the welfare state.

No it didn't. Once again Americans exhibit the historical depth of road puddles. Talented mulattos will eventually penetrate the barriers of racial apartheid. In fact, it already happened. Then your whole society is permanently 90 IQ and you're done until someone who's still white, Russian or Chinese genocides you and starts over.

The Aryans built their whole religion and society around the caste system and it didn't work. Yet there are American Southerners in this age of universally propagandized and subsidized mud-sharking who think they're going to hold the line.

I swear it's like human stupidity is infinite. How many white empires have to fall to the miscegenation trick before the average 100 IQ white man absorbs the lesson of anti-tolerance into his racial memory? I guess the answer is always "one more". Oh well, as far as civilizational losses go, Alabama won't even make the list.

Anonymous Gen. Kong June 30, 2017 1:37 PM  

Behold the before & after of Detroit, which was once a crown jewel of modern Western Civilization. Thanks to forced diversity, it's now a dirty, broken hellhole. But there was a time, as the pictures illustrate, when Detroit was a wonderful place to raise a family.

Kersey has posted a fair number of articles on Detroilet, as it is now known. Blacks took over in 1972 and it was already bankrupt by 1980. Why hasn't it completely collapsed into the African norm? Repeated bailouts at state and federal levels, plus idiot whites who think it can be some libertardian Potemkin Village (Rand Paul and some equally moronic billonaire). Detroilet is basically a zombie they keep propping up - with YT's money.

Anonymous Grayman June 30, 2017 1:42 PM  

Gen Kong

They differ in details of course but the basic outline is that when the EBT/Welfare/Section 8 all comes to an end, dindus will go into an immediate orgy of violent looting against nearby white neighborhoods. The badge-gang will be ordered to attack whites who attempt to defend themselves, family and property

I'm not sure how far they can push that. The badge gang is minuscule compared to the number of armed civilians (76+ million), and the fellow towns people know where those badge gang members live.
The degree to which the US citizenry is armed is grossly misunderstood. The number of registered hunters (not even the full number of civilian gun owners) in just 4 states comprise the largest standing army in the world! Even the anti-gun states like NJ and NY are very heavily armed. Consider that in just 3 months Americans bought enough guns (3,177,256) to outfit the entire Chinese and Indian army’s combined. They also bought more than 1,000,000,000 rounds of ammunition in 1 month and those purchases continue year after year.

It will take a lot to push people to the point of open conflict but a black/brown mob murdering its way through towns is a very good way to do that. Once that level of conflict is ignited the degree of death that will reign from the fire of steel barrels is far greater than most would imagine.

Anonymous Gen. Kong June 30, 2017 1:44 PM  

Don't forget the "elites" many white SJWs/liberal goy minions and last but not least white "CONservatives".

Not for a New York minute. The coming trainwreck really would not have been possible without the cooperation of the whites Hunter Thompson has referred to as 'Graccite Traitors'. Think of folks like Bill Gates, John Corzine (yes he's a white Shabbas Goy), the Squid-family Bush, John McStain, etc. Not even to mention all the 'Christians' whose god is Judeo-Christ.

Blogger Noah B The Savage Gardener June 30, 2017 2:00 PM  

@67 That is what the federal government transfers to blacks. What about the state and local government transfers to blacks and Hispanics? What about the costs borne by individuals (e.g. higher insurance costs, crime, reduced property values)? What about the diminished quality of life issues? What about the once great cities reduced to third-world ruins?

Absolutely correct. Estimating the cost of diversity based on federal taxes alone only scratches the surface.

Blogger S1AL June 30, 2017 2:02 PM  

This article calculates both federal and state benefits.

Blogger Elder Son June 30, 2017 2:06 PM  

100 years of "empowering" womenz feelz and emotionz.

Anonymous Plato June 30, 2017 2:12 PM  

You guys hate eugenics, abortion and Planned Parenthood ... yet these are what keep the feral nog population in check.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Deplorable Cents June 30, 2017 2:20 PM  

@118 S1AL
Working during one of the busiest weeks in my year. What's the question?

Where's your personal attack on VD for posting hatefacts to cover up for his personal failures? When do you call him rayciss for this posting?

Regardless of what it is, the answer is probably "none of this is surprising, the welfare state is cancer, and the destruction of the family precipitated a huge portion of these issues."

Those wascally wiberals! Cweating the welfawe state just to change the genetics not just of black Americans but also black South Afwicans and Whowdesians! Is there no limit to their perfidity?

Just for you, Josh and others:

https://infogalactic.com/info/Monoamine_oxidase_A

Studies have found differences in the frequency distribution of variants of the MAOA gene between ethnic groups.:[30][31] of the participants, 59% of Black men, 54% of Chinese men, 56% of Maori men, and 34% of Caucasian men carried the 3R allele, while 5.5% of Black men, 0.1% of Caucasian men, and 0.00067% of Asian men carried the 2R allele.[

Why do you hate science?

Anonymous Pizzagate McMuffin June 30, 2017 2:24 PM  

If can simply educhucate/adopt/tell more blacks about Jeebus, it will be ok.

Also cut the "welfare state" by stealing the Medicare and social security of older whites.

Also use vouchers to fill schools in white suburbs with dindus. How else will your white daughters get impregnated by Jerome?

Blogger praetorian June 30, 2017 2:28 PM  

You guys hate eugenics, abortion and Planned Parenthood

Who said anything about hating eugenics? Vox consistently decried the dysgenics of modern society. What do you think he is advocating for? Eugenics doesn't mean Hollywood Nazi horror comedy science experiments, it just means making sure your best and brightest have the most kids, like England did for 200 years.

Of course we hate murder, though. We are normal humans.

Blogger S1AL June 30, 2017 2:31 PM  

Paradigm, you couldn't reek more of Omega-level monomania if you tried.

Anonymous Grayman June 30, 2017 2:34 PM  

Plato:


-eugenics
I doubt most on the alt-right would have a problem with a modern version, you get ranked with a reproductive "score" and mate with whomever will have you. Market forces, such as child benefits or lack there of would easily drive reproduction in the desired direction without resorting to "farming" humans.

Anonymous A Most Deplorable Paradigm Is More Than Twenty Deplorable Cents June 30, 2017 2:45 PM  

@144 S1AL

Weak sauce, really weak.
Dude, if the FBI Uniform Crime Report is rayciss to even mention, so is this study. Where's all your self-righteous squalling when VD posts a hatefact? What's the matter, need some new chalk for your blank slate? Or just afraid to rant at him like you do at commenters?

Why do you hate science, dude? Got a problem with numbers? Arithmetic too hard for you?

Blogger roughcoat June 30, 2017 2:53 PM  

Or we could just stop robbing the intelligent and capable to subsidize the stupid and inept, and let nature take its course.

We need fewer levers designed to fuck with society, not more.

Blogger S1AL June 30, 2017 2:53 PM  

You seem to have mistaken me for someone else. The FBI crime stats show exactly what anyone who lives in the real world expects - White American homicide rates are on par with Europe. Black American homicide rates are high, but lower than in Black countries. No. Shit. Sherlock.

But there's a very large divide between "blacks commit more violent crimes" and "let's commit genocide", which you somehow can't seem to understand. There's also a huge gulf between "blank slate" and "genetic determinism", and I'm not a Calvinist, of either the Christian or Atheist variety.

So let's do a little study here: black marriage, divorce, and crime rates before and after the expansion of the welfare state. Go.

Also, how many white children do you have, Paradigm?

Anonymous BBGKB June 30, 2017 3:28 PM  

She's working in a school with a mixed white and black population now - I don't know if there is a difference in pay

If I hear a nurse talking seriously about the gender pay gap in nursing I ask if they can tell which pays the most/least for equal work.
1.Sleepytime General hospital were Pts are literate & compliant
2. The John Hopkins clinic that a Jamaican doctor was caught by a nurse making kiddy porn with Pts
3. The John Hopkins location that had multiple employees raped in the parking facilities.

local library and that began to attract a different sort of patron. ... now they also seem to offer some kind of day care for illegal aliens

Trannaies have taken your place https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/19/style/drag-queen-story-hour-puts-the-rainbow-in-reading.html

"Kratman's probably busy, but where's S1AL?"

After that posterity post he probably has to replace all the tables in his house that he pounded into sawdust

a very large divide between "blacks commit more violent crimes" and "let's commit genocide",

Please present another option to pry parasites off my wallet?

Anonymous PolarKing June 30, 2017 3:28 PM  

Very interesting to see the actual numbers. I had, as a thought experiment, wondered long ago (after years of working with blacks, particularly black females), if one could actually do a STUDY of how much black females cost a particular business, local or state agency,fed, etc. BFs are literally a nightmare to work with, for, or around. The lost production, the increased costs, fake injuries, phony lawsuits, EEOs, idle time...and you cannot even quantify the disruption they cost all other employees (of any race).

Hiring a black creature, but especially a black female, is literally like taking on a child support or alimony payment as long as they are employed, and sometimes long after.

Blogger S1AL June 30, 2017 3:33 PM  

"Please present another option to pry parasites off my wallet?"

I think you can probably look at the OP and see a very good way (hint: the welfare state is cancer).

Anonymous Panzer Man June 30, 2017 3:57 PM  

S1AL wrote:You seem to have mistaken me for someone else. The FBI crime stats show exactly what anyone who lives in the real world expects - White American homicide rates are on par with Europe. Black American homicide rates are high, but lower than in Black countries. No. Shit. Sherlock.

But there's a very large divide between "blacks commit more violent crimes" and "let's commit genocide", which you somehow can't seem to understand. There's also a huge gulf between "blank slate" and "genetic determinism", and I'm not a Calvinist, of either the Christian or Atheist variety.

So let's do a little study here: black marriage, divorce, and crime rates before and after the expansion of the welfare state. Go.

Also, how many white children do you have, Paradigm?


Blacks have always been primitive, violent, and dangerous. They are incapable of living in an advanced society other than as miserable, and misery-inflicting, parasites.

The "welfare" stuff is just something that cucks clutch onto so they can still wet themselves in enthusiasm over having swarms of pavement apes around.

"If only we took them off welfare, they'd be just like white people!"

You can kind of make them more quiescent if they're powerless and have the threat of violent reprisal hanging over them.

But they're useless at best and ruinous at worst, when they're weaponized by our enemies. It would be insane to leave them around at this point, waiting for the cycle to repeat itself.

They have to go back. And as for them being different from native Africans -- that's something for THEM and the Africans to work out, on the other side of the ocean.

Blogger Matamoros June 30, 2017 4:03 PM  

@47 Rumpole5: Our blacks' African ancestors were brought over by greedy people to exploit them. They should have known that white masters would take advantage of subsevient female slaves,

They were brought over by Yankee slavers largely owned by Jews, and were raped by the Yankees on the way over.

The quality of the Negroes arriving in the States were low. The ships came across from Africa to Brazil, then worked their way up the Caribbean, arriving lastly in American ports. The worst behaved, stupidist, most incorrible were what was left for Americans.

Then, the damn Yankees after "freeing" the northern slaves they'd f*cked for years (they actually sold them South), invaded the Confederacy.

The damn Yankees raped every Negro woman they could get their hands on, with the White women being reserved for the Yankee officers.

The South has always been the most Christian part of the country, and miscegenation was strongly discouraged among Southerners. Consequently, it was rare.

So these mulattoes are the offspring of Yankee slavers, and the damn Yankee army.

Anonymous BBGKB June 30, 2017 4:06 PM  

if one could actually do a STUDY of how much black females cost a particular business, local or state agency,fed, etc. BFs are literally

In the early 90s Forbes magazine posted that the cost to the US of affirmative action was 4% of the GDP which is better than the dept of educations funding. I doubt anyone would publish such now.

think you can probably look at the OP and see a very good way (hint: the welfare state is cancer)

The chimp outs when the food stamp system went down for 8 hours on 10-12-2013 was bad enough to get some faggots to flee DieVerse City and move to Whitopia.

Blogger S1AL June 30, 2017 4:10 PM  

Do you have more white children than swastikas, Panzer Man? Or do you just blame blacks for everything without contributing to perpetuating white heritage, like Paradigm does?

Blogger James June 30, 2017 4:13 PM  

Plato wrote:You guys hate eugenics, abortion and Planned Parenthood ... yet these are what keep the feral nog population in check.

Not really in check. Just slowing down the exponential growth. The 2015 US Census Bureau estimated 46,282,080 African Americans in the United States meaning that 14.3% of the total American population of 321.4 Million is Black. This includes those who identify as ‘Black Only’ and as ‘Black in combination with another race’. The ‘Black Only’ category by itself totaled 42.6 million African Americans or 13.3% of the total population. This was an increase of over 3 million since 2010. In 1960, the black population was 18,871,831 which was 10.5% of the total population. So, it more than doubled in 55 years and increased by almost 3% of the total population.

Blogger roughcoat June 30, 2017 4:17 PM  

"You don't have [white children/enough white children] so your opinion is invalid!" is a ridiculous nonargument. I don't know who decided to start using that as some kind of pathetic rhetorical shot a some months back, but it was retarded then and it's retarded now.

Blogger Student in Blue June 30, 2017 4:21 PM  

"You don't have [white children/enough white children] so your opinion is invalid!" is a ridiculous nonargument.

Depends on what the opinion is about. Parenthood changes a person.

Blogger S1AL June 30, 2017 4:21 PM  

Explain how you plan to perpetuate a white society without white children. Then justify your non-contribution. It never ceases to amaze me how easily you can identify the childless incels based on race-obsessed monomania.

Anonymous roadrage June 30, 2017 4:23 PM  

Unrestricted war.

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 30, 2017 4:23 PM  

Panzer Man wrote:They have to go back. And as for them being different from native Africans -- that's something for THEM and the Africans to work out, on the other side of the ocean.
Frankly, given their comparative intelligence, ability to work in teams, and long-term thinking, American Blacks would rule Africa within a couple of decades.

They would be kangz.

Blogger James June 30, 2017 4:25 PM  

Starbuck wrote:This problem could be solved if there were a majority of KKK in congress. I bet there would be a vote on repealing welfare, medicare, food stamps. Then watch them scurry out of the country and the welfare people scurry to get jobs.

Before that happened, you'd have a media blitz about how blacks are being targeted and oppressed, BLM/black militants would begin violent overthrow of glass storefronts with high-def wide screen TV's, SJW's would stage candlelight vigils to condemn institutionalized White racism, various Demonicrat congressmen...I mean congressgenderlessmeatpuppets would propose bills to fix this crisis, and we would still have business as usual.

Blogger Tatooine Sharpshooters' Club June 30, 2017 4:29 PM  

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Anonymous roadrage June 30, 2017 4:29 PM  

No, ya don't.
Be thankful. It would just cost you half as much again.

Anonymous andon June 30, 2017 4:29 PM  

156. Blogger S1AL June 30, 2017 4:10 PM
Do you have more white children than swastikas, Panzer Man? Or do you just blame blacks for everything without contributing to perpetuating white heritage, like Paradigm does?


is he allowed to observe the truth?

Blogger Ransom Smith June 30, 2017 4:30 PM  


Frankly, given their comparative intelligence, ability to work in teams, and long-term thinking, American Blacks would rule Africa within a couple of decades.

They would be kangz.


The ones who lived, probably.
But a lot of American blacks would die quickly. Unable to cope with the brutality of Africa.

Blogger Billy Ray June 30, 2017 4:34 PM  

did you do a study to see how much WHITE welfare costs? corporate welfare? worthless foreign"aid"? oh, of course not, that doesn't fit the racist narrative. but the alt right isn't racist.....yeah, keep telling yourselves that..

Blogger Billy Ray June 30, 2017 4:35 PM  

what's next? a story about how much we send to the evil joooooos in Israel?

Blogger James June 30, 2017 4:37 PM  

Gen. Kong wrote:
The badge-gang will be ordered to attack whites who attempt to defend themselves, family and property. The only whites who will get protection will be those in ruling elite and high-level nomenklatura.


It is not just the "badge gang". You forgot the military. I feel that how the police and military come down on this issue will make all the difference in how this turns out. If they are as honorable as the Russian troops that refused to fire on their fellow countrymen then the change will be much quicker and less bloody. Urban dwelling Whites are going to have a dangerous time. Rural Whites will be much less affected. Guess which one of these two groups has the most guns.

Blogger S1AL June 30, 2017 4:39 PM  

Panzer Man can't even observe that the welfare state subsidizes and perpetuates the worst behavior of the worst of every race - it's taken longer, but we're now seeing the effects on the white population as well. He wouldn't know the truth if it bit him on the ass. His monomania means he thinks everything is racial, and that hides the truth from him.

Blogger James June 30, 2017 4:42 PM  

Snidely Whiplash wrote:Panzer Man wrote:They have to go back. And as for them being different from native Africans -- that's something for THEM and the Africans to work out, on the other side of the ocean.

Frankly, given their comparative intelligence, ability to work in teams, and long-term thinking, American Blacks would rule Africa within a couple of decades.

They would be kangz.


I don't think so. African blacks in America hate American blacks. Why? They think they are lazy scum. There is no comparison between the work ethic of African blacks vs. blacks born here. Plus, African blacks have developed centuries of tasty dishes that use black muscle tissue that American blacks are not familiar with.

Anonymous andon June 30, 2017 4:50 PM  

169. Blogger Billy Ray June 30, 2017 4:35 PM
what's next? a story about how much we send to the evil joooooos in Israel?


israel is you greatest ally

Blogger roughcoat June 30, 2017 4:54 PM  

S1AL wrote:Explain how you plan to perpetuate a white society without white children. Then justify your non-contribution. It never ceases to amaze me how easily you can identify the childless incels based on race-obsessed monomania.

Do you think you can just buy children from Costco in job lots? They take time to make, and more than one person. And they should not just be popped out lightly.

I'm childless because 1. I don't have the resources to support children right now and 2. I'm not married. That does not mean I have no intention of getting married and having children.

You can ask somebody what they're doing to contribute to the future of the race, but you can't just assume anyone without kids is a worthless talker. Or do you think you can just write off all the young men who may not even be old enough or yet-successful-enough to reasonably and responsibly have kids?

Did I wake up and the economy is suddenly magical instead of depressed? Did feminism die, and young women are clamoring to get knocked up at 19? For fuck's sake, it's not easy at all to start a family in this environment.

And of course, since it does take time to have multiple kids, are you really taking the position that anyone who wasn't already married and popping out babies for the better part of a decade can't have an opinion on the future and what we should do about it?

Like I said, that's retarded.

Blogger rumpole5 June 30, 2017 4:56 PM  

There = location
Their = ownership/association
They're = contraction meaning "they are"

Blogger roughcoat June 30, 2017 4:57 PM  

Student in Blue wrote:"You don't have [white children/enough white children] so your opinion is invalid!" is a ridiculous nonargument.

Depends on what the opinion is about. Parenthood changes a person.


Well sure. But in the context that "argument" is generally used, it is meant as a dishonest, derailing putdown, not a reasonable "you don't have experience with this and I do, so listen to me" sort of thing.

Blogger rumpole5 June 30, 2017 4:59 PM  

Our downtown library got rid of the black hoboes lounging around under the outside overhang by playing Mozart music. It was like bug repellant to them!

Anonymous andon June 30, 2017 5:01 PM  

168. Blogger Billy Ray June 30, 2017 4:34 PM
did you do a study to see how much WHITE welfare costs? corporate welfare? worthless foreign"aid"? oh, of course not, that doesn't fit the racist narrative. but the alt right isn't racist.....yeah, keep telling yourselves that..


come on Billy Ray, you know you want to join

Blogger Snidely Whiplash June 30, 2017 5:09 PM  

Billy Ray wrote:did you do a study to see how much WHITE welfare costs? corporate welfare? worthless foreign"aid"? oh, of course not, that doesn't fit the racist narrative. but the alt right isn't racist.....yeah, keep telling yourselves that..
You realize we don't care if we're racist, right? That's why we don't care if you call us RAAAAACISS!!!
I'm a racist, you're a faggot. I am fine with this.

Blogger rumpole5 June 30, 2017 5:10 PM  

The founders broke the future of their descendants by importing one troublesome breed of problematic human after another. They always did this for cheap labor.

Blogger S1AL June 30, 2017 5:12 PM  

If you're finding it that hard to find a woman who wants a family, get out of whatever urban shithole you're currently occupying. Find a small church where the majority of people own guns. There will be women looking to get married and have families.

You want families to be more affordable for responsible people? You want to pay for your children somebody else's? End the damn welfare state.

But yes, to some extent I do see the need to write off people who pontificate on the future of the "white race" who haven't even contributed to it yet. And like I said, the relationship between race-obsessed monomania and childless incels is almost 1:1. If you don't like that observation, you *really* some like my explanation as to why.

Hell, you're talking to someone who thinks that having the voting age at 18 is a huge mistake because people that she are dummbbbb. I remember being that age, unlike some people here.

This obsession about race, though, is an obsession with symptoms. If there's no damn spoil system, there's no subsidizing of the horde of black non-families.

End. The. Welfare. State.

And yes, that also means giving up the neo-Nazi crap, because it wasn't going to work in the long term, either (note that the Nazis, like all other socialists, also attempted to destroy the traditional family once they got into power).

And, to offer an olive branch: I'm a millennial without a college degree. But I also got married young, delayed kids for a few years to get established, and worked my ass off to get where I am now. I fully understand the problems being faced today - but young white men still need to get married and have children, even if it's tougher than it should be. That's what saves Western Civilization, not obsessing about minorities. And, hell, getting involved in politics so we can maybe fix this mess without mad bloodshed isn't a terrible idea, either.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) June 30, 2017 5:13 PM  

In 1960, the black population was 18,871,831 which was 10.5% of the total population. So, it more than doubled in 55 years and increased by almost 3% of the total population.

African and Caribbean immigration. The native black population is 10.3% of the total.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) June 30, 2017 5:18 PM  

Did I wake up and the economy is suddenly magical instead of depressed? Did feminism die, and young women are clamoring to get knocked up at 19? For fuck's sake, it's not easy at all to start a family in this environment.

My parents have 5 kids. 4 are married, the youngest has a wedding in December. My younger brothers have attended roughly 30-40 weddings of their friends over the last five years.

It may not be easy, but it's not impossible... or even improbable.

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) June 30, 2017 5:19 PM  

Explain how you plan to perpetuate a white society without white children. Then justify your non-contribution. It never ceases to amaze me how easily you can identify the childless incels based on race-obsessed monomania.

The alt white are also mgtow

Blogger S1AL June 30, 2017 5:31 PM  

Oh don't worry, in my mind that question is "the Josh test", since you're the first one who caught the correlation (that I saw).

Blogger Koanic June 30, 2017 5:33 PM  

> It never ceases to amaze me how easily you can identify the childless incels based on race-obsessed monomania.

Wow, the people who have had their potential children stolen from them by the crushing diversity tax are the angriest about diversity?

How about you quit making everything about you?

Breeding is a function of female emancipation. The shortage of warriors like McVeigh and Dylann Roof is much more severe than that of pompous breeders proudly hauling their 3:1 dindu child ratio into posterity. You guys want a medal for changing a diaper. It's worse than the Boomers.

We know very well that once you give your little hostages to the gynocracy you'll knuckle under to a thousand petty indignities in hopes of preserving your family mostly intact. It's no coincidence that McVeigh and Roof had no kids. You have your reward already, assuming you can retain their respect.

Anonymous Avalanche June 30, 2017 5:34 PM  

@104 "Cruel? I don't know anyone except the most deluded libtard that would not try to eradicate a deadly virus. Do you concern yourself with how the virus feels about that?"

Not a useful analogy: you DON'T take a deadly virus and "lock" it into one or two HEALTHY-enough organs till they kill enough of the organ (and each other) that the virus mostly expires!! And, even then, you cannot "re-integrate" the damaged organ after you clear our the virus.

They must ALL go back!

Anonymous Avalanche June 30, 2017 5:36 PM  

@106 "I'd ALMOST, ALMOST be open to paying for 'em if it was guaranteed I didn't have to live with them, share infrastructure with them, amenities, etc."

I WOULD be open to paying for them IN AFRICA! Chip 'em and ship 'em! (The chip is so they cannot return; the ship is because you can send more cheaper than on planes.) Give them ten years "alimony" and then we're done forever!

Blogger S1AL June 30, 2017 5:40 PM  

If your definition of a "warrior" is someone who murders women and children in a surprise attack on his own society, it's no wonder you're too much of a loser to find a woman.

You might try upping your game instead of idolizing other losers. It'll work better. And you might even contribute to society instead of enabling government crackdowns.

Anonymous Avalanche June 30, 2017 5:48 PM  

@136 " Consider that in just 3 months Americans bought enough guns (3,177,256) to outfit the entire Chinese and Indian army’s combined. They also bought more than 1,000,000,000 rounds of ammunition in 1 month and those purchases continue year after year."

THANK YOU!! That information makes me smile happily and with relief. (Just got back from the gun range, by happenstance, where I was teaching a neighbor to shoot! One more gun sale this year for our people!!

Anonymous Lol niggers June 30, 2017 5:57 PM  

Muh End the Welfare State ...

If we steal old white people's Social Security and Medicare, then blacks will build us flying cars!

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) June 30, 2017 5:59 PM  

Name one or two sincere net positives of having blacks near you. I cannot list a single one.

Hot chicken

Anonymous Avalanche June 30, 2017 6:02 PM  

@141 "You guys hate eugenics, abortion and Planned Parenthood ... yet these are what keep the feral nog population in check."

This, this, oh so much THIS! All us K-selected folks want to cherish children; but y'all do not make the distinction (and if you care for OUR children, you must!) between the offspring of vermin and OUR beloved children!

The 'life cycle' of africans was DESIGNED to include massive massive massive numbers of deaths: think schools of fish, releasing thousands of 'fry' with the guarantee (by the "system" -- God's or Mother Nature's, take your pick) that the VAST majority will not make it to adulthood.

I think God did not make the distinction so many modern Christians do: HE ordered the violent deaths of whole tribes, down to their cattle and sheep! Sometimes he let "His People" (or should I post ((("His People"))) keep the girls as sex slaves, but not for "adoption and marry into your family."

You have (it seems to me) *expanded* what the Bible tells you to do well beyond the intention. You do not *save* your enemies children to grow up and parasite on your children: you KILL THEM!

Is God the modern milquetoast -- or is He a warrior God who would have you destroy your enemies? Are you commanded to love even lice, ticks, and niglets? Or are you commended to keep yourself and you family pure in the Sight of God?

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) June 30, 2017 6:04 PM  

(((Avalanche)))

Anonymous Avalanche June 30, 2017 6:08 PM  

@149 'But there's a very large divide between "blacks commit more violent crimes" and "let's commit genocide", which you somehow can't seem to understand."

So, just what DO YOU put in the middle there? What are we supposed to do? WAIT till all the blacks kill us off, and then THEY commit genocide on whatever non-Whites are left? What is YOUR answer, if not genocide?!

Anonymous Avalanche June 30, 2017 6:11 PM  

@153 "They have to go back. And as for them being different from native Africans -- that's something for THEM and the Africans to work out, on the other side of the ocean."

I second this motion. All in favor signify by saying aye.

Anonymous Grayman June 30, 2017 6:11 PM  

Lol,

Ending welfare is tantamount to war on blacks and a large % of hispanics. You'd have an uprising in a matter of weeks at best. Good luck with that.

https://youtu.be/o64Fz-KW1Dk

Blogger Josh (the gayest thing here) June 30, 2017 6:12 PM  

So, just what DO YOU put in the middle there? What are we supposed to do? WAIT till all the blacks kill us off, and then THEY commit genocide on whatever non-Whites are left? What is YOUR answer, if not genocide?!

At 500 deaths a year, that's about a 394,000 year wait

Anonymous Grayman June 30, 2017 6:13 PM  

@196 Aye Aye!

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